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Yes, I agree - given the reluctance on the principle around "calling a constructor on an object of the same type needs to work" - it's right not to make this change. Thanks for holding that principle.

I'll close this; let me know if there's any change around this I make in its place.

Sorry for taking so long here.

I'm still not entirely comfortable with this change -- it adds some additional complexity to the Dataset constructor that seems unnecessary. There's no inherit reason why calling a constructor on an object of the same type needs to work. If anything, I would like to deprecate/remove this behavior on DataArray (e.g., in favor of using a more explicit call to DataArray.copy(data=new_data)).

To answer your question though, we hit this when inheriting from a Dataset: the object is initialized with a dataset, which is super-ed up to the Dataset constructor

If I understand this correctly, you've written something like: python class MyDataset(xarray.Dataset): def __init__(self, dataset): super().__init__(dataset)

Is there any reason why you couldn't just write: python class MyDataset(xarray.Dataset): def __init__(self, dataset): super().__init__(dataset.data_vars, dataset.coords, dataset.attrs)

I think we should do something here, rather than change behavior by coincidence.

I don't think it's quite a coincidence here -- we are changing the behavior of Dataset.__iter__/Dataset.keys(), and this is a logical consequence of interpreting a Dataset as a mapping of its data variables :).

Any votes?

I think the current version dominates the current master (i.e. it doesn't disable any useful functionality, it adds some clarity). So I would vote to merge unless anyone has any alternative suggestions (which I will gladly implement)

Thanks team

I think we should do something here, rather than change behavior by coincidence.

@shoyer do you want to make the decision?

I would vote +0.1 for the current version in the PR. V happy to be outweighed!

@fmaussion good question

The main reason I think this is worthwhile is the change in behavior between 0.10.x and 0.11.0, when iterating over a Dataset will iterate only over its data_vars, and so will change Dataset(ds) from ds to Dataset(ds.data_vars). I don't have a strong view on which option we choose, but I do think we should have a deliberate decision rather than making a breaking-change-by-coincidence.

To answer your question though, we hit this when inheriting from a Dataset: the object is initialized with a dataset, which is super-ed up to the Dataset constructor. (I realize this is narrow!). Alternatively, there is another repo that linked to the issue here

From https://github.com/pydata/xarray/issues/2056 and this discussion I don't really understand the use case for this constructor - maybe an example of a real use case that could be added to the doc would help?

Now I'm having second thoughts. It does make me a little nervous to add special cases that distinguish between xr.Dataset(ds, coords=some_coords) and xr.Dataset(ds.data_vars, coords=some_coords).

Maybe my proposed solution above is too complex, and it would be better simply to default the coords and attrs argument to those arguments from a passed Dataset object. This is basically what we do for DataArray.

That said, I do think we should try to resist the notion that every class constructor must also work for coercion to that class. This tends to result in a slightly confused interface. A separate as_dataset() function (even in user code) could give exactly the desired result in only be a few lines of code.

xr.Dataset(ds, coords=some_coords).coords != some_coords

I thought that xr.Dataset(ds, coords=some_coords).coords == some_coords. I think Dataset should be regarded as a dict of dataarrays (data_vars), and thus xr.Dataset(ds, coords=some_coords) should be equivalent to xr.Dataset(ds.data_vars, coords=some_coords).

And, to confirm, you think it's OK that :

Moving ahead with this, please let me know any objections from anyone

OK good!

And, to confirm, you think it's OK that :

xr.Dataset(ds, coords=some_coords).coords != some_coords

An alternative approach - more friendly but less explicit - is for any other argument (coords, attrs) supplied to overwrite the Dataset's

I think this would be slightly preferred, and also more consistent with the model of a Dataset as only iterating over data_vars. This suggests that at the very least, Dataset(ds) and Dataset(ds.data_vars) should be consistent after we finish the changes described in https://github.com/pydata/xarray/issues/884. Note that ds.data_vars will pull in coordinates associated with the DataArray objects.

To be more precise, I would probably make: ds2 = Dataset(ds1, coords, attrs) equivalent to ds2 = ds1.copy() ds2.coords.update(coords) ds2.attrs.update(attrs)

Do we want to raise if coords / attrs are passed in addition to a Dataset? Do we want to warn for a couple versions first?

An alternative approach - more friendly but less explicit - is for any other argument (coords, attrs) supplied to overwrite the Dataset's