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1306386310 | https://github.com/pydata/xarray/issues/2799#issuecomment-1306386310 | https://api.github.com/repos/pydata/xarray/issues/2799 | IC_kwDOAMm_X85N3d-G | openSourcerer9000 61931826 | 2022-11-07T23:53:17Z | 2022-11-07T23:53:17Z | NONE | So a workaround I was able to use was to load the whole thing into a np array (18GB!) in 1 minute |
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1306327743 | https://github.com/pydata/xarray/issues/2799#issuecomment-1306327743 | https://api.github.com/repos/pydata/xarray/issues/2799 | IC_kwDOAMm_X85N3Pq_ | hmaarrfk 90008 | 2022-11-07T22:45:07Z | 2022-11-07T22:45:07Z | CONTRIBUTOR | As I've been recently going down this performance rabbit hole, I think the discussion around https://github.com/pydata/xarray/issues/7045 is relevant and provides some additional historical context as to "why" this performance penalty might be happening. |
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1306300937 | https://github.com/pydata/xarray/issues/2799#issuecomment-1306300937 | https://api.github.com/repos/pydata/xarray/issues/2799 | IC_kwDOAMm_X85N3JIJ | openSourcerer9000 61931826 | 2022-11-07T22:16:55Z | 2022-11-07T22:16:55Z | NONE | I'm really not understanding why indexing is so slow. My dataarray has 2 dims, one axis 1.5 million long ('node') and the other 1500 ('time'). Trying to pull a single timeseries by indexing 1 node takes 16 seconds. the Variable workaround or playing around with chunking doesn't change anything. The only thing loading into memory should be array of 1500 values. Not sure what's going on under the hood but there may be a way to specify that you're only looking to optimize indexing along 1 dim. Once it gets indexed it becomes a very tiny data set. I would think |
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863062212 | https://github.com/pydata/xarray/issues/2799#issuecomment-863062212 | https://api.github.com/repos/pydata/xarray/issues/2799 | MDEyOklzc3VlQ29tbWVudDg2MzA2MjIxMg== | eserie 17484729 | 2021-06-17T08:57:28Z | 2021-06-17T08:57:28Z | NONE | Hello, I don't want to disrupt the issue too much (so let me know if you'd rather we continue the discussion outside). Somewhat related to the discussions in this issue, I recently released an open-source library: WAX-ML, https://github.com/eserie/wax-ml, where I implement an accessor to unroll JAX transformations on DataSet and Dataarray xarray containers along a time dimension. I hope this can help! |
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797116001 | https://github.com/pydata/xarray/issues/2799#issuecomment-797116001 | https://api.github.com/repos/pydata/xarray/issues/2799 | MDEyOklzc3VlQ29tbWVudDc5NzExNjAwMQ== | eserie 17484729 | 2021-03-11T23:20:50Z | 2021-03-11T23:20:50Z | NONE |
@jhamman I'll be happy to participate in the discussion. |
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790546398 | https://github.com/pydata/xarray/issues/2799#issuecomment-790546398 | https://api.github.com/repos/pydata/xarray/issues/2799 | MDEyOklzc3VlQ29tbWVudDc5MDU0NjM5OA== | eserie 17484729 | 2021-03-04T11:29:37Z | 2021-03-04T11:29:37Z | NONE | In case it could be usefull, and be reused for benchmarks, I released on my github two notebooks with an implementation of a faster (but somehow very simplified and not very optimized in term of code architecture) version of DataArray and Dataset containers. The second notebook contains some line profilings for buffer experiments with various containers. This permits to point on operations which are slow in Datarray implementation for this use case. |
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786837666 | https://github.com/pydata/xarray/issues/2799#issuecomment-786837666 | https://api.github.com/repos/pydata/xarray/issues/2799 | MDEyOklzc3VlQ29tbWVudDc4NjgzNzY2Ng== | eserie 17484729 | 2021-02-26T19:06:08Z | 2021-02-26T19:07:20Z | NONE | Thanks all for your prompt responses! @hmaarrfk , I share your recommendation and it's a great thing to be able to fallback to numpy arrays when the algorithmic part is well decoupled from the data preparation process. It's what I also do when I can. However, in workflows working on streaming data the two things (data preparation and computation) may be intricated or frequently alternated. My example of "buffer data array" structure is something quite natural to consider in such a context and having an efficient implementation of labelled ndarray could really serve the task. @shoyer I think a first "lite" implementation fully implemented in python could be already a great thing. It would not achieve numpy performance, but the additional cost du to management of coordinates alignement should not be too expensive. An additional suggestion: if the target is computational workflows, trying to have some compatibility with packages such as eagerpy would enabling working with other tensor frameworks commonly used in machine learning. This kind of feature could be adressed yet in another package, but having it in mind may influence the early choices in term of implementation (ex: pure python vs C++). @jhamman, @shoyer I would be pleased to share my work on buffer data array if you think it could serve as kind of use-case. In this context, I experimented a bit with a « crafted » lite version of xarray and I could achieve a x10 factor in performance improvement. |
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786816356 | https://github.com/pydata/xarray/issues/2799#issuecomment-786816356 | https://api.github.com/repos/pydata/xarray/issues/2799 | MDEyOklzc3VlQ29tbWVudDc4NjgxNjM1Ng== | jhamman 2443309 | 2021-02-26T18:25:13Z | 2021-02-26T18:25:13Z | MEMBER |
FWIW, I think the xarray-lite concept would be a great chunk of work to write a small-ish proposal around. I think we could target the next round of CZI EOSS with such a concept. |
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786813358 | https://github.com/pydata/xarray/issues/2799#issuecomment-786813358 | https://api.github.com/repos/pydata/xarray/issues/2799 | MDEyOklzc3VlQ29tbWVudDc4NjgxMzM1OA== | hmaarrfk 90008 | 2021-02-26T18:19:28Z | 2021-02-26T18:19:28Z | CONTRIBUTOR | I hope the following can help users that struggle with the speed of xarray: I've found that when doing numerical computation, I often use the xarray to grab all the metadata relevant to my computation. Scale, chromaticity, experimental information. Eventually, i create a function that acts as a barrier: - Xarray input (high level experimental data) - Computation parameters output (low level implementation detail relevant information). The low level implementation can operate on the fast numpy arrays. I've found this to be the struggle with creating high level APIs that do things like sanitize inputs (xarray routines like For the example that @nbren12 brought up originally, it might be better to create xarray routines (if they don't exist already) that can create fast iterators for the underlying numpy arrays given a set of dimensions that the user cares about. |
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786800631 | https://github.com/pydata/xarray/issues/2799#issuecomment-786800631 | https://api.github.com/repos/pydata/xarray/issues/2799 | MDEyOklzc3VlQ29tbWVudDc4NjgwMDYzMQ== | shoyer 1217238 | 2021-02-26T17:56:07Z | 2021-02-26T17:56:07Z | MEMBER | I agree, I think a "xarray lite" package with only named dimensions could indeed be a valuable contribution. I'd love to optimize xarray further, but I suspect you would probably have to write the core in a language like C++ to achieve similar performance to NumPy. |
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786764651 | https://github.com/pydata/xarray/issues/2799#issuecomment-786764651 | https://api.github.com/repos/pydata/xarray/issues/2799 | MDEyOklzc3VlQ29tbWVudDc4Njc2NDY1MQ== | nbren12 1386642 | 2021-02-26T16:51:50Z | 2021-02-26T16:51:50Z | CONTRIBUTOR | @jhamman Weren't you talking about an xarray lite (TM) package? |
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786759897 | https://github.com/pydata/xarray/issues/2799#issuecomment-786759897 | https://api.github.com/repos/pydata/xarray/issues/2799 | MDEyOklzc3VlQ29tbWVudDc4Njc1OTg5Nw== | eserie 17484729 | 2021-02-26T16:43:23Z | 2021-02-26T16:43:23Z | NONE | Hi, I'm working on a machine learning application where I want to stream data and use xarray containers to store them in a buffer (with an additional "lag" dimension) and guaranty good alignement of the coordinates on various dimensions of the streamed data. Doing so, I noticed that the version of my code working with xarray is very slow when compared to a pure numpy implementation (with no coordinate alignement) or even an implementation with deque+pandas. I think the performance issue that I noticed is basically the same observation than the ones of this issue. I have the impression that for this kind of applications or more generally for intensive algorithmic usages, also as stated at the begining of this issue, a light (with less functionalities and checks) and fast version of xarray DataArray and Dataset containers could be developped. Do you think this could be something doable in the scope of xarray? Would it be preferable to create a dedicated library? |
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553948714 | https://github.com/pydata/xarray/issues/2799#issuecomment-553948714 | https://api.github.com/repos/pydata/xarray/issues/2799 | MDEyOklzc3VlQ29tbWVudDU1Mzk0ODcxNA== | crusaderky 6213168 | 2019-11-14T15:50:35Z | 2019-11-14T15:50:35Z | MEMBER | 3533 closes the gap between DataArray and numpy from 500x slower to "just" 100x slower :) |
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553601146 | https://github.com/pydata/xarray/issues/2799#issuecomment-553601146 | https://api.github.com/repos/pydata/xarray/issues/2799 | MDEyOklzc3VlQ29tbWVudDU1MzYwMTE0Ng== | max-sixty 5635139 | 2019-11-13T21:03:23Z | 2019-11-13T21:03:23Z | MEMBER | That's great that's helpful @nbren12 . Maybe we should add to docs (we don't really have a performance section at the moment, maybe we start something on performance tips?) There's some info on the differences in the Terminology that @gwgundersen wrote: https://github.com/pydata/xarray/blob/master/doc/terminology.rst#L18 Essentially: by indexing on the variable, you ignore the coordinates, and so skip a bunch of code that takes the object apart and puts it back together. A variable is much more similar to a numpy array, so you can't do |
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553294966 | https://github.com/pydata/xarray/issues/2799#issuecomment-553294966 | https://api.github.com/repos/pydata/xarray/issues/2799 | MDEyOklzc3VlQ29tbWVudDU1MzI5NDk2Ng== | nbren12 1386642 | 2019-11-13T08:32:05Z | 2019-11-13T08:32:16Z | CONTRIBUTOR | This |
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552714604 | https://github.com/pydata/xarray/issues/2799#issuecomment-552714604 | https://api.github.com/repos/pydata/xarray/issues/2799 | MDEyOklzc3VlQ29tbWVudDU1MjcxNDYwNA== | max-sixty 5635139 | 2019-11-12T03:10:39Z | 2019-11-12T03:10:39Z | MEMBER | One note: if you're indexing into a dataarray and don't care about the coords, index into the variable. 2x numpy time, rather than 30x: ```python In [26]: da = xr.tutorial.open_dataset('air_temperature')['air'] In [27]: da Out[27]: <xarray.DataArray 'air' (time: 2920, lat: 25, lon: 53)> [3869000 values with dtype=float32] Coordinates: * lat (lat) float32 75.0 72.5 70.0 67.5 65.0 ... 25.0 22.5 20.0 17.5 15.0 * lon (lon) float32 200.0 202.5 205.0 207.5 ... 322.5 325.0 327.5 330.0 * time (time) datetime64[ns] 2013-01-01 ... 2014-12-31T18:00:00 Attributes: long_name: 4xDaily Air temperature at sigma level 995 units: degK precision: 2 GRIB_id: 11 GRIB_name: TMP var_desc: Air temperature dataset: NMC Reanalysis level_desc: Surface statistic: Individual Obs parent_stat: Other actual_range: [185.16 322.1 ] In [20]: %timeit da.variable[0] 28.2 µs ± 2.29 µs per loop (mean ± std. dev. of 7 runs, 10000 loops each) In [21]: %timeit da[0] 459 µs ± 37.9 µs per loop (mean ± std. dev. of 7 runs, 1000 loops each) In [22]: %timeit da.variable.values[0] 14.1 µs ± 183 ns per loop (mean ± std. dev. of 7 runs, 100000 loops each) ``` |
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552655149 | https://github.com/pydata/xarray/issues/2799#issuecomment-552655149 | https://api.github.com/repos/pydata/xarray/issues/2799 | MDEyOklzc3VlQ29tbWVudDU1MjY1NTE0OQ== | shoyer 1217238 | 2019-11-11T22:57:55Z | 2019-11-11T22:57:55Z | MEMBER |
Yes, I think this is still the case for slicing in xarray. There's just much larger constant overhead than in NumPy. (And this is difficult to fix short of rewriting xarray's core in C.) |
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552652019 | https://github.com/pydata/xarray/issues/2799#issuecomment-552652019 | https://api.github.com/repos/pydata/xarray/issues/2799 | MDEyOklzc3VlQ29tbWVudDU1MjY1MjAxOQ== | hmaarrfk 90008 | 2019-11-11T22:47:47Z | 2019-11-11T22:47:47Z | CONTRIBUTOR | Sure, I just wanted to make the note that this operation should be more or less constant time, as opposed to dependent on the size of the array. Somebody had mentionned it should increase with the size of the array. |
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552646381 | https://github.com/pydata/xarray/issues/2799#issuecomment-552646381 | https://api.github.com/repos/pydata/xarray/issues/2799 | MDEyOklzc3VlQ29tbWVudDU1MjY0NjM4MQ== | max-sixty 5635139 | 2019-11-11T22:29:58Z | 2019-11-11T22:29:58Z | MEMBER | TBC I think there's plenty we could do with relatively little complexity to speed up indexing operations on That's a different problem from making xarray as fast as indexing a numpy array, or allowing libraries to iterate through a |
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552619589 | https://github.com/pydata/xarray/issues/2799#issuecomment-552619589 | https://api.github.com/repos/pydata/xarray/issues/2799 | MDEyOklzc3VlQ29tbWVudDU1MjYxOTU4OQ== | hmaarrfk 90008 | 2019-11-11T21:16:36Z | 2019-11-11T21:16:36Z | CONTRIBUTOR | Hmm, slicing should basically be a no-op. The fact that xarray makes it about 100x slower is a real killer. It seems from this conversation that it might be hard to workaround
```python
import xarray as xr
import numpy as np
n = np.zeros(shape=(1024, 1024))
x = xr.DataArray(n, dims=('y', 'x'))
the_slice = np.s_[256:512, 256:512]
%timeit n[the_slice]
%timeit x[the_slice]
186 ns ± 0.778 ns per loop (mean ± std. dev. of 7 runs, 10000000 loops each)
70.3 µs ± 593 ns per loop (mean ± std. dev. of 7 runs, 10000 loops each)
```
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539352070 | https://github.com/pydata/xarray/issues/2799#issuecomment-539352070 | https://api.github.com/repos/pydata/xarray/issues/2799 | MDEyOklzc3VlQ29tbWVudDUzOTM1MjA3MA== | ashwinvis 9155111 | 2019-10-08T06:08:27Z | 2019-10-08T06:08:48Z | CONTRIBUTOR | I suspect system jitter in the profiling as the time for |
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539218376 | https://github.com/pydata/xarray/issues/2799#issuecomment-539218376 | https://api.github.com/repos/pydata/xarray/issues/2799 | MDEyOklzc3VlQ29tbWVudDUzOTIxODM3Ng== | crusaderky 6213168 | 2019-10-07T21:46:32Z | 2019-10-07T21:53:33Z | MEMBER | I tried playing around with pypy 3.6. Big fat disclaimer: I did not run any of the xarray unit tests. Expect trouble if you do. 1. ```bash !/bin/bashset -o errexit set -o pipefail set -o nounset set -o xtrace tar -xvjf Downloads/pypy3.6-v7.1.1-linux64.tar.bz2 cd pypy3.6-v7.1.1-linux64/bin ./pypy3 -m ensurepip ./pip3.6 install -U pip wheel ./pip list | awk 'NR > 2 {print $1}' | grep -v greenlet | xargs ./pip install -U sudo apt-get install libopenblas-dev gfortran./pip install numpy pandas xarray
import numpy as np import xarray as xr shape = (10, 10, 10, 10) index = (0, 0, 0, 0) np_arr = np.ones(shape) arr = xr.DataArray(np_arr) N = 10000 def bench_slice(obj): for _ in range(4): t0 = time.time() for _ in range(N): obj[index] t1 = time.time() t_ns = (t1 - t0) / N * 1e9 print(f"{t_ns:6.0f} ns {obj.class.name}") bench_slice(arr) bench_slice(np_arr) ``` Benchmark outputs:
CPython 3.7:
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539100243 | https://github.com/pydata/xarray/issues/2799#issuecomment-539100243 | https://api.github.com/repos/pydata/xarray/issues/2799 | MDEyOklzc3VlQ29tbWVudDUzOTEwMDI0Mw== | max-sixty 5635139 | 2019-10-07T16:39:54Z | 2019-10-07T16:39:54Z | MEMBER | Great analysis, thanks Do we have any idea of which of those lines are offending? I used a tool |
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538570946 | https://github.com/pydata/xarray/issues/2799#issuecomment-538570946 | https://api.github.com/repos/pydata/xarray/issues/2799 | MDEyOklzc3VlQ29tbWVudDUzODU3MDk0Ng== | crusaderky 6213168 | 2019-10-04T21:48:18Z | 2019-10-06T21:56:58Z | MEMBER | I simplified the benchmark: ```python from itertools import product import numpy as np import xarray as xr shape = (10, 10, 10, 10) index = (0, 0, 0, 0) np_arr = np.ones(shape) arr = xr.DataArray(np_arr) named_index = dict(zip(arr.dims, index)) print(index) print(named_index) %timeit -n 1000 arr[index]
%timeit -n 1000 arr.isel(**named_index)
%timeit -n 1000 np_arr[index]
Ordered by: cumulative time ncalls tottime percall cumtime percall filename:lineno(function) 1 0.000 0.000 1.890 1.890 {built-in method builtins.exec} 1 0.009 0.009 1.890 1.890 <string>:1(<module>) 10000 0.011 0.000 1.881 0.000 dataarray.py:629(getitem) 10000 0.030 0.000 1.801 0.000 dataarray.py:988(isel) 10000 0.084 0.000 1.567 0.000 dataset.py:1842(isel) 10000 0.094 0.000 0.570 0.000 dataset.py:1746(_validate_indexers) 10000 0.029 0.000 0.375 0.000 variable.py:960(isel) 10000 0.013 0.000 0.319 0.000 variable.py:666(getitem) 20000 0.014 0.000 0.251 0.000 dataset.py:918(_replace_with_new_dims) 50000 0.028 0.000 0.245 0.000 variable.py:272(init) 10000 0.035 0.000 0.211 0.000 variable.py:487(_broadcast_indexes) 1140000/1100000 0.100 0.000 0.168 0.000 {built-in method builtins.isinstance} 10000 0.050 0.000 0.157 0.000 dataset.py:1802(_get_indexers_coords_and_indexes) 20000 0.025 0.000 0.153 0.000 dataset.py:868(_replace) 50000 0.085 0.000 0.152 0.000 variable.py:154(as_compatible_data) ``` Time breakdown: Total | 1.881 -- | -- DataArray.__getitem__ | 0.080 DataArray.isel (_to_temp_dataset roundtrip) | 0.234 Dataset.isel | 0.622 Dataset._validate_indexers | 0.570 Variable.isel | 0.056 Variable.__getitem__ | 0.319 I can spot a few low-hanging fruits there:
- huge amount of time spent on _validate_indexers
- Why is So in short while I don't think we can feasibly close the order-of-magnitude gap (800x) with numpy, I suspect we could get at least a 5x speedup here. |
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538791352 | https://github.com/pydata/xarray/issues/2799#issuecomment-538791352 | https://api.github.com/repos/pydata/xarray/issues/2799 | MDEyOklzc3VlQ29tbWVudDUzODc5MTM1Mg== | crusaderky 6213168 | 2019-10-06T21:47:20Z | 2019-10-06T21:48:48Z | MEMBER | After #3375: 1.371 | TOTAL -- | -- 0.082 | DataArray.__getitem__ 0.217 | DataArray.isel (_to_temp_dataset roundtrip) 0.740 | Dataset.isel 0.056 | Variable.isel 0.276 | Variable.__getitem__ The offending lines in Dataset.isel are these, and I strongly suspect they are improvable: |
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538790722 | https://github.com/pydata/xarray/issues/2799#issuecomment-538790722 | https://api.github.com/repos/pydata/xarray/issues/2799 | MDEyOklzc3VlQ29tbWVudDUzODc5MDcyMg== | crusaderky 6213168 | 2019-10-06T21:38:44Z | 2019-10-06T21:38:44Z | MEMBER | All those integer indexes were cast into Variables. #3375 stops that. |
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538366978 | https://github.com/pydata/xarray/issues/2799#issuecomment-538366978 | https://api.github.com/repos/pydata/xarray/issues/2799 | MDEyOklzc3VlQ29tbWVudDUzODM2Njk3OA== | ashwinvis 9155111 | 2019-10-04T11:57:10Z | 2019-10-04T11:57:10Z | CONTRIBUTOR |
Not really. Pythran always releases the GIL and does a bunch of optimizations between transpilation and compilations. A good approach would be try out different compilers and see what performance is obtained, without losing readability (https://github.com/pydata/xarray/issues/2799#issuecomment-469444519). See scikit-image/scikit-image/issues/4199 where the package |
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529578839 | https://github.com/pydata/xarray/issues/2799#issuecomment-529578839 | https://api.github.com/repos/pydata/xarray/issues/2799 | MDEyOklzc3VlQ29tbWVudDUyOTU3ODgzOQ== | crusaderky 6213168 | 2019-09-09T17:15:08Z | 2019-09-09T17:15:08Z | MEMBER |
This is not a great start :( It's the first time I hear about Pythran. At first sight it looks somewhat like a hybrid between Cython (for the ahead-of-time transpiling to C++) and numba (for having python-compatible syntax). That said, I didn't see anything that hints at potential speedups on the python boilerplate code. I already had experience with compiling pure-python code (tight This said, I'd have to spend more time on it to get a more informed opinion. |
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529569885 | https://github.com/pydata/xarray/issues/2799#issuecomment-529569885 | https://api.github.com/repos/pydata/xarray/issues/2799 | MDEyOklzc3VlQ29tbWVudDUyOTU2OTg4NQ== | DerWeh 22542812 | 2019-09-09T16:53:20Z | 2019-09-09T16:53:20Z | NONE | It might be interesting to see, if pythran is an alternative to Cython. It seems like it handles high level But it seems like other libraries like e.g. scikit-image made some good experience with it. Sadly I can't be of much help, as I lack experience (and most importantly time). |
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469898607 | https://github.com/pydata/xarray/issues/2799#issuecomment-469898607 | https://api.github.com/repos/pydata/xarray/issues/2799 | MDEyOklzc3VlQ29tbWVudDQ2OTg5ODYwNw== | max-sixty 5635139 | 2019-03-05T23:16:43Z | 2019-03-05T23:16:43Z | MEMBER |
Right, tbc, I'm only referring to the top two lines of the pasted benchmark; i.e. once we enter python (even if only to access a numpy array) we're already losing a lot of the speed relative to the loop staying in C / Cython. So even if xarray were a python front-end to a C++ library, it still wouldn't be competitive if performance were paramount. ...unless pypy sped that up; I'd be v interested to see. |
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469869298 | https://github.com/pydata/xarray/issues/2799#issuecomment-469869298 | https://api.github.com/repos/pydata/xarray/issues/2799 | MDEyOklzc3VlQ29tbWVudDQ2OTg2OTI5OA== | shoyer 1217238 | 2019-03-05T21:43:18Z | 2019-03-05T21:43:32Z | MEMBER | Cython + memoryviews isn't quite the right comparison here. I'm sure ordering here is correct, but relative magnitude of the performance difference should be smaller. Xarray's core is bottlenecked on:
1. Overhead of abstraction with normal Python operations (e.g., function calls) in non-numeric code (all the heavy numerics is offloaded to NumPy or pandas).
2. The dynamic nature of our APIs, which means we need to do lots of type checking. Notice how high up C++ offers very low-cost abstraction but dynamism is still slow. Even then, compilers are much better at speeding up tight numeric loops than complex domain logic. As a point of reference, it would be interesting to see these performance numbers running pypy, which I think should be able to handle everything in xarray. You'll note that pypy is something like 7x faster than CPython in their benchmark suite, which I suspect is closer to what we'd see if we wrote xarray's core in a language like C++, e.g., as Python interface to xframe. |
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469861382 | https://github.com/pydata/xarray/issues/2799#issuecomment-469861382 | https://api.github.com/repos/pydata/xarray/issues/2799 | MDEyOklzc3VlQ29tbWVudDQ2OTg2MTM4Mg== | max-sixty 5635139 | 2019-03-05T21:19:31Z | 2019-03-05T21:19:31Z | MEMBER | To put the relative speed of numpy access into perspective, I found this insightful: https://jakevdp.github.io/blog/2012/08/08/memoryview-benchmarks/ (it's now a few years out of date, but I think the fundamentals still stand) Pasted from there:
So if we're running an inner loop on an array, accessing it using numpy in python is an order of magnitude slower than accessing it using numpy in C (and that's an order of magnitude slower than using a slice, and that's an order of magnitude slower than using raw pointers) So - let's definitely speed xarray up (your benchmarks are excellent, thank you again, and I think you're right there are opportunities for significant increases). But where speed is paramount above all else, we shouldn't use any access in python, let alone the niceties of xarray access. |
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469451210 | https://github.com/pydata/xarray/issues/2799#issuecomment-469451210 | https://api.github.com/repos/pydata/xarray/issues/2799 | MDEyOklzc3VlQ29tbWVudDQ2OTQ1MTIxMA== | nbren12 1386642 | 2019-03-04T22:40:07Z | 2019-03-04T22:40:07Z | CONTRIBUTOR | Sure, I've been using that as a workaround as well. Unfortunately, that approach throws away all the nice info (e.g. metadata, coordinate) that xarray objects have and requires duplicating much of xarray's indexing logic. |
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469449165 | https://github.com/pydata/xarray/issues/2799#issuecomment-469449165 | https://api.github.com/repos/pydata/xarray/issues/2799 | MDEyOklzc3VlQ29tbWVudDQ2OTQ0OTE2NQ== | max-sixty 5635139 | 2019-03-04T22:33:03Z | 2019-03-04T22:33:03Z | MEMBER | You can always use xarray to process the data, and then extract the underlying array ( |
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469447632 | https://github.com/pydata/xarray/issues/2799#issuecomment-469447632 | https://api.github.com/repos/pydata/xarray/issues/2799 | MDEyOklzc3VlQ29tbWVudDQ2OTQ0NzYzMg== | nbren12 1386642 | 2019-03-04T22:27:57Z | 2019-03-04T22:27:57Z | CONTRIBUTOR | @max-sixty I tend to agree this use case could be outside of the scope of xarray. It sounds like significant progress might require re-implementing core |
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469445483 | https://github.com/pydata/xarray/issues/2799#issuecomment-469445483 | https://api.github.com/repos/pydata/xarray/issues/2799 | MDEyOklzc3VlQ29tbWVudDQ2OTQ0NTQ4Mw== | max-sixty 5635139 | 2019-03-04T22:20:58Z | 2019-03-04T22:20:58Z | MEMBER | Thanks for the benchmarks @nbren12, and for the clear explanation @shoyer While we could do some performance work on that loop, I think we're likely to see a material change by enabling the external library to access directly from the array, without a looped python call. That's consistent with the ideas @jhamman had a few days ago. |
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469444519 | https://github.com/pydata/xarray/issues/2799#issuecomment-469444519 | https://api.github.com/repos/pydata/xarray/issues/2799 | MDEyOklzc3VlQ29tbWVudDQ2OTQ0NDUxOQ== | shoyer 1217238 | 2019-03-04T22:17:58Z | 2019-03-04T22:17:58Z | MEMBER | To be clear, pull requests improving performance (without significantly loss of readability) would be very welcome. Be sure to include a new benchmark in our benchmark suite. |
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469439957 | https://github.com/pydata/xarray/issues/2799#issuecomment-469439957 | https://api.github.com/repos/pydata/xarray/issues/2799 | MDEyOklzc3VlQ29tbWVudDQ2OTQzOTk1Nw== | shoyer 1217238 | 2019-03-04T22:03:37Z | 2019-03-04T22:16:49Z | MEMBER |
I'm sure it's possible to optimize this significantly, but short of rewriting this logic in a lower level language it's pretty much impossible to match the speed of NumPy. This benchmark might give some useful context: ``` def dummy_isel(args, *kwargs): pass def index_dummy(named_indices, arr):
for named_index in named_indices:
dummy_isel(arr, **named_index)
On my machine, this is already twice as slow as your NumPy benchmark (497 µs vs 251 µs) , and all it's doing is parsing Right now we're at about 130 µs per indexing operation. In the best case, we might make this 10x faster but even that would be quite challenging, e.g., consider that even creating a DataArray takes about 20 µs. |
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469443856 | https://github.com/pydata/xarray/issues/2799#issuecomment-469443856 | https://api.github.com/repos/pydata/xarray/issues/2799 | MDEyOklzc3VlQ29tbWVudDQ2OTQ0Mzg1Ng== | nbren12 1386642 | 2019-03-04T22:15:49Z | 2019-03-04T22:15:49Z | CONTRIBUTOR | Thanks so much @shoyer. I didn't realize there was that much overhead for a single function call. OTOH, 2x slower than numpy would be way better than 1000x. After looking at the profiling info more, I tend to agree with your 10x maximum speed-up. A couple of particularly slow functions (e.g. |
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469394020 | https://github.com/pydata/xarray/issues/2799#issuecomment-469394020 | https://api.github.com/repos/pydata/xarray/issues/2799 | MDEyOklzc3VlQ29tbWVudDQ2OTM5NDAyMA== | nbren12 1386642 | 2019-03-04T19:45:11Z | 2019-03-04T19:45:11Z | CONTRIBUTOR | cc @rabernat |
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