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https://github.com/pydata/xarray/pull/4979#issuecomment-801236829,https://api.github.com/repos/pydata/xarray/issues/4979,801236829,MDEyOklzc3VlQ29tbWVudDgwMTIzNjgyOQ==,4160723,2021-03-17T16:42:40Z,2021-03-17T16:42:40Z,MEMBER,"> shall we merge?

Yes! I wanted to wait for the bi-weekly dev meeting but I've just missed it (PST/PDT -> :facepalm: -> sorry).

Let's merge this and continue the discussion in follow-up issues/PRs.","{""total_count"": 0, ""+1"": 0, ""-1"": 0, ""laugh"": 0, ""hooray"": 0, ""confused"": 0, ""heart"": 0, ""rocket"": 0, ""eyes"": 0}",,819062172
https://github.com/pydata/xarray/pull/4979#issuecomment-796599469,https://api.github.com/repos/pydata/xarray/issues/4979,796599469,MDEyOklzc3VlQ29tbWVudDc5NjU5OTQ2OQ==,4160723,2021-03-11T09:30:43Z,2021-03-11T09:30:43Z,MEMBER,"Thanks for your reviews @shoyer and @rabernat! I've updated the notes according to your comments.

From my point of view this is ready, but we can leave this PR open for another few days in case anyone else wants to add some comments (@pydata/xarray).

Next week I'll start with the implementation (I'll take on the open PR in https://github.com/pydata/xarray/projects/1 and will do only internal refactoring making sure that all tests are passing). ","{""total_count"": 1, ""+1"": 1, ""-1"": 0, ""laugh"": 0, ""hooray"": 0, ""confused"": 0, ""heart"": 0, ""rocket"": 0, ""eyes"": 0}",,819062172
https://github.com/pydata/xarray/pull/4979#issuecomment-792653797,https://api.github.com/repos/pydata/xarray/issues/4979,792653797,MDEyOklzc3VlQ29tbWVudDc5MjY1Mzc5Nw==,4160723,2021-03-08T10:24:56Z,2021-03-08T10:35:01Z,MEMBER,"Thanks everyone for your comments so far!! They have been really helpful in improving the notes!

This is now ready for another round of review. I've tried to include all the points raised in the discussion above. I also marked all the conversations as resolved even though it's still open for discussion! (it's just a way to ""reset"" them for more clarity). I'll move the notes into a `design_notes` folder just before merging this PR.

With the last commits, I think that the notes now cover most of the aspects regarding the use of indexes in Xarray. The goal with these notes is not to settle every detail of the refactoring (decisions can be made while iterating on the implementation), but rather describe the big picture and outline the main opportunities and challenges. Referring to the notes will help throughout the implementation. Hopefully it will allow more Xarray users and devs sharing their point of views to make sure we're not missing anything important here.

One thing that is not in the notes: to which acceptable extent this refactoring may introduce breaking changes? I think that it will be hard to avoid any breaking change. That said, as the index refactoring would rather bring internal data structures to the light I don't expect many things to break (at least, not the things that 90% of Xarray users often rely on). Hardest part will probably be to ensure a smooth transition while updating the API that is too specific to `pandas.MultiIndex` into something that is more index-agnostic...","{""total_count"": 1, ""+1"": 1, ""-1"": 0, ""laugh"": 0, ""hooray"": 0, ""confused"": 0, ""heart"": 0, ""rocket"": 0, ""eyes"": 0}",,819062172
https://github.com/pydata/xarray/pull/4979#issuecomment-791255540,https://api.github.com/repos/pydata/xarray/issues/4979,791255540,MDEyOklzc3VlQ29tbWVudDc5MTI1NTU0MA==,4160723,2021-03-05T08:32:05Z,2021-03-05T08:32:05Z,MEMBER,"> For reference for how rioxarray does things: https://corteva.github.io/rioxarray/stable/getting_started/crs_management.html

That's good to know, thanks! Like it may create specific indexes for time coordinates, I could imagine Xarray's `decode_cf(decode_coords=True)` to eventually return some kind of `CRSIndex` from any variable referred to in `grid_mapping` attribute.","{""total_count"": 0, ""+1"": 0, ""-1"": 0, ""laugh"": 0, ""hooray"": 0, ""confused"": 0, ""heart"": 0, ""rocket"": 0, ""eyes"": 0}",,819062172
https://github.com/pydata/xarray/pull/4979#issuecomment-790961332,https://api.github.com/repos/pydata/xarray/issues/4979,790961332,MDEyOklzc3VlQ29tbWVudDc5MDk2MTMzMg==,4160723,2021-03-04T21:36:38Z,2021-03-04T21:36:38Z,MEMBER,"Ah yes, making it more easily reusable would be welcome indeed. I guess that such lazy arrays will be already needed for the creation of coordinates from the levels of an existing `pandas.MultiIndex`.","{""total_count"": 0, ""+1"": 0, ""-1"": 0, ""laugh"": 0, ""hooray"": 0, ""confused"": 0, ""heart"": 0, ""rocket"": 0, ""eyes"": 0}",,819062172
https://github.com/pydata/xarray/pull/4979#issuecomment-790716187,https://api.github.com/repos/pydata/xarray/issues/4979,790716187,MDEyOklzc3VlQ29tbWVudDc5MDcxNjE4Nw==,4160723,2021-03-04T15:49:51Z,2021-03-04T15:51:53Z,MEMBER,"> Are the CRSIndex and XgcmIndex examples really independent of any coordinate in the DataArray/Dataset? Looks like in #2996 a CRSIndex could be bound to x and y coordinates and a XgcmIndex could be bound to x, y, x_c, y_c, face, etc. coordinates?

@rabernat @jbusecke (xgcm) @snowman2 @fmaussion @djhoese (crs) it would be interesting to have your thoughts here.

What would be the pros and cons of:

- Refactoring `xgcm.Grid` into a `XgcmGridIndex`? The index would typically be assigned to the Dataset coordinates that are also specified in the `coords` argument of `xgcm.Grid` and all other arguments (except the Dataset itself) would become index options.  `xgcm.Grid` methods would then be accessible via Dataset accessor(s) (or eventually just replaced by xarray's corresponding methods).

- Refactoring a `crs` attribute (either a ""public"" Dataset/DataArray attribute or hidden behind an accessor) into some `CRSIndex` that would typically be assigned to `x`/`y` or `lat`/`lon` coordinates?

A major advantage is that using a custom index, there's no need to encapsulate a Dataset/DataArray into a higher level structure (e.g., `xgcm.Grid`) and there would be more control on how it is propagated from one xarray object to another compared to an attribute or via a ""stateful"" accessor (e.g., `crs`). Another advantage is that Xarray selection and/or alignment can be customized. But that can be also a downside: unless we allow multiple indexes per coordinate, such `XgcmGridIndex` and `CRSIndex` would then have the responsibility of handling selection and alignment for all their corresponding coordinates. That may not be a big deal, though: `XgcmGridIndex` and `CRSIndex` could simply encapsulate `pandas.Index` instances for all (or a subset) of their coordinates.

Are there any other challenges and/or opportunities? (sorry, it has probably been already discussed elsewhere. There's too many places to look for :-) ).
","{""total_count"": 0, ""+1"": 0, ""-1"": 0, ""laugh"": 0, ""hooray"": 0, ""confused"": 0, ""heart"": 0, ""rocket"": 0, ""eyes"": 0}",,819062172
https://github.com/pydata/xarray/pull/4979#issuecomment-789910371,https://api.github.com/repos/pydata/xarray/issues/4979,789910371,MDEyOklzc3VlQ29tbWVudDc4OTkxMDM3MQ==,4160723,2021-03-03T17:29:36Z,2021-03-03T17:29:36Z,MEMBER,"> There are also high-level methods that could use indexes in non-trivial ways.

Thanks @dcherian for listing those methods here, that's something worth to keep in mind! I think that for now it would be reasonable to restrict those methods to the indexes that are currently available in Xarray instead of trying to extend the API of Xarray index wrappers in order to support those special cases. I guess it's ok for ""default"" or ""common"" xarray indexes to provide extra functionality that could not be implemented in 3rd party indexes, as well as it would be ok for 3rd-party indexes to provide non-standard, extra functionality that would be reused for methods implemented in DataArray/Dataset accessors.

 > Maybe this is a good definition for a PropertyIndex

Are the `CRSIndex` and `XgcmIndex` examples really independent of any coordinate in the DataArray/Dataset? Looks like in #2996 a `CRSIndex` could be bound to `x` and `y` coordinates and a `XgcmIndex` could be bound to `x`, `y`, `x_c`, `y_c`, `face`, etc. coordinates?","{""total_count"": 0, ""+1"": 0, ""-1"": 0, ""laugh"": 0, ""hooray"": 0, ""confused"": 0, ""heart"": 0, ""rocket"": 0, ""eyes"": 0}",,819062172
https://github.com/pydata/xarray/pull/4979#issuecomment-789737571,https://api.github.com/repos/pydata/xarray/issues/4979,789737571,MDEyOklzc3VlQ29tbWVudDc4OTczNzU3MQ==,4160723,2021-03-03T14:05:19Z,2021-03-03T14:17:19Z,MEMBER,"Alignment hasn't been discussed yet here, but it should! Some quick thoughts:

- support for alignment should probably be optional for an Xarray index wrapper. 
  - like `pandas.Index`, the index wrapper classes that support it should implement `.equals()`, `.union()` and/or `.intersection()`
  - support might be partial if that makes sense (outer, inner, left, right, exact...).
  - index equality might involve more than just the labels, like the CRSIndex proposed in #2996
  - some indexes might implement inexact alignment, like in #4489 or a `KDTree` index that selects nearest-neighbors within a given tolerance
  - alignment may be ""multi-dimensional"", i.e., the `KDTree` example above vs. dimensions aligned independently of each other
- we need to decide what to do when one dimension has more than one index that supports alignment
  - we should probably raise unless the user explicitly specify which index to use for the alignment
- we need to decide what to do when one dimension has one or more index(es) but none support alignment
  - either we raise or we fail back (silently) to alignment based on dimension size
- for inexact alignment, the tolerance threshold might be given when building the index and/or when performing the alignment
- are there cases where we want a specific index to perform alignment and another index to perform selection? It would be tricky to support that unless we allow multiple indexes per coordinate. ""Meta"" indexes (https://github.com/pydata/xarray/pull/4979#discussion_r585203065) would help but then I'm worried about the possible explosion of index wrapper classes. ","{""total_count"": 0, ""+1"": 0, ""-1"": 0, ""laugh"": 0, ""hooray"": 0, ""confused"": 0, ""heart"": 0, ""rocket"": 0, ""eyes"": 0}",,819062172
https://github.com/pydata/xarray/pull/4979#issuecomment-789549939,https://api.github.com/repos/pydata/xarray/issues/4979,789549939,MDEyOklzc3VlQ29tbWVudDc4OTU0OTkzOQ==,4160723,2021-03-03T08:54:33Z,2021-03-03T08:54:33Z,MEMBER,"> One use-case motivated question: the flexible indexes refactoring has also been pointed to as the resolution to #2233, where multidimensional coordinates have the same name as one of their dimensions. I wasn't quite able to tell through the narrative here if that has been addressed along the way yet or not (""A. only 1D coordinates with a name matching their dimension name"" for implicit index creation does seem to get close though). So, would it be worth directly addressing #2233 here, or should that wait?

I think #2233 will be addressed by the index refactoring here. I don't see any issue with multidimensional coordinates having the same name as one of their dimensions once indexes are decoupled from dimensions/coordinates. I might still be missing something, though.","{""total_count"": 2, ""+1"": 2, ""-1"": 0, ""laugh"": 0, ""hooray"": 0, ""confused"": 0, ""heart"": 0, ""rocket"": 0, ""eyes"": 0}",,819062172
https://github.com/pydata/xarray/pull/4979#issuecomment-789547340,https://api.github.com/repos/pydata/xarray/issues/4979,789547340,MDEyOklzc3VlQ29tbWVudDc4OTU0NzM0MA==,4160723,2021-03-03T08:50:11Z,2021-03-03T08:50:11Z,MEMBER,"> For the implementation: hooks would probably work. Other options might be decorator functions or context managers?

Or similarly to `_repr_inline_`:

```python
class MyDuckArray:
    ...

    def _sel_(self, indexer):
        """"""Prepare the label-based indexer to conform to this coordinate array.""""""
        ...
        return new_indexer

    ...
```","{""total_count"": 0, ""+1"": 0, ""-1"": 0, ""laugh"": 0, ""hooray"": 0, ""confused"": 0, ""heart"": 0, ""rocket"": 0, ""eyes"": 0}",,819062172
https://github.com/pydata/xarray/pull/4979#issuecomment-788870926,https://api.github.com/repos/pydata/xarray/issues/4979,788870926,MDEyOklzc3VlQ29tbWVudDc4ODg3MDkyNg==,4160723,2021-03-02T12:23:41Z,2021-03-02T12:23:41Z,MEMBER,"> One thing I'm missing is duckarray support, though. Not sure if this is realistic, but I'm hoping to reduce the maintenance burden on duckarray support libraries (such as pint-xarray) as much as possible: subclassing every new index class (or having the index provider explicitly add duckarray support) seems a bit too much work.

I haven't looked much at `pint-xarray` yet, so I'm not sure to understand. Why would you need to subclass every new index class?

If you are referring to the issue that you describe in your comment https://github.com/pydata/xarray/issues/525#issuecomment-514805244, the refactoring should decouple indexes from the coordinates, leaving the latter ""just"" as if they were regular variables (thus with duckarray support). What is currently possible with non-index coordinates should be possible with all coordinates. Actually, I'm not sure that we'll need to keep `IndexVariable` after the refactoring.

Or maybe you're referring to unit-aware indexing (what @shoyer mentioned in https://github.com/pydata/xarray/issues/525#issuecomment-514880353)? In this case I'm not sure how we could do that without having specific index classes for that purpose. Maybe some pre/post indexing hooks in Xarray that could be used, e.g., to convert indexer units into the coordinate units?   ","{""total_count"": 0, ""+1"": 0, ""-1"": 0, ""laugh"": 0, ""hooray"": 0, ""confused"": 0, ""heart"": 0, ""rocket"": 0, ""eyes"": 0}",,819062172
https://github.com/pydata/xarray/pull/4979#issuecomment-788702853,https://api.github.com/repos/pydata/xarray/issues/4979,788702853,MDEyOklzc3VlQ29tbWVudDc4ODcwMjg1Mw==,4160723,2021-03-02T08:01:19Z,2021-03-02T08:01:19Z,MEMBER,"Thanks for your comments @keewis and @shoyer!

I think it's better for now to keep having this discussion and these notes in the Xarray repository, for more visibility. We could still move this elsewhere later if this PR becomes too cluttered, as there are potentially many aspects we can discuss about.

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